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		<title>Comment on Universal support for exclusion of software patents by JR</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/universal-support-for-exclusion-of-software-patents/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 08:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is very good news and thanks to many people&#039;s hard work.

I am left with 2 questions:

Under the proposed TPP investor-state dispute provisions, will an overseas holder of a software patent be able to sue the NZ government for lost profits?

Does patent infringement liability arise at the point of manufacture or the point of sale? Microsoft asserts that Android infringes various software patents it holds and has signed licensing agreements with a number of mobile phone manufacturers. What happens to these agreements if Android phones are either manufactured or sold in NZ? If I buy an Android phone in NZ, can I expect a refund for the (secret) amount the manufacturer has paid to Microsoft?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very good news and thanks to many people&#8217;s hard work.</p>
<p>I am left with 2 questions:</p>
<p>Under the proposed TPP investor-state dispute provisions, will an overseas holder of a software patent be able to sue the NZ government for lost profits?</p>
<p>Does patent infringement liability arise at the point of manufacture or the point of sale? Microsoft asserts that Android infringes various software patents it holds and has signed licensing agreements with a number of mobile phone manufacturers. What happens to these agreements if Android phones are either manufactured or sold in NZ? If I buy an Android phone in NZ, can I expect a refund for the (secret) amount the manufacturer has paid to Microsoft?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ad blocking &#8211; a coming legal battleground? by Guy Burgess</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/ad-blocking-a-coming-legal-battleground/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, I am not saying there is merit in any particular legal attack (yet to be defined) on ad-blocking, I am just giving my view of what the likely bases of such an attack would be. And as my article says, I agree it would be technically very difficult, if not impossible, to prevent ad-blocking anyway.

However, my view is that there are too many billions of dollars at stake for there &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to be a legal challenge to ad-blocking at some level. The various legal &amp; policy responses to file sharing gives some insights here.

Cheers
Guy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I am not saying there is merit in any particular legal attack (yet to be defined) on ad-blocking, I am just giving my view of what the likely bases of such an attack would be. And as my article says, I agree it would be technically very difficult, if not impossible, to prevent ad-blocking anyway.</p>
<p>However, my view is that there are too many billions of dollars at stake for there <i>not</i> to be a legal challenge to ad-blocking at some level. The various legal &#038; policy responses to file sharing gives some insights here.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Guy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ad blocking &#8211; a coming legal battleground? by Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/ad-blocking-a-coming-legal-battleground/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m, sorry but I feel this is a totally ridiculous article. You repeat &quot;could be claimed&quot; under the heading Legal Position when their there really is no argument at all, and the topic is absolutely not a &quot;legal battleground&quot;. Inflammatory headings do not help your case.

One significant difference between TV and internet traffic which you have mentioned but explained, is that the former is a streamed broadcast.

Therefore, the argument above; that if a stream is altered in some fashion it constitutes copyright infringement is a ridiculous one.  If a broadband provider offers a poor service and the UDP steam is not complete from server to users computer - Does that constitute copyright infringement?  Should we expect end users to start suing all ISPs? Seriously, that is never going to get to court.


As for WWW content - ie web pages, they are not streamed and the content delivered to the end point differs from PC to PC, from mobile device to mobile device, from web browser to web browser.  The end user&#039;s choice of device or Brower dictates what IS and what IS NOT transferred to their device, and how it is rendered.  Any how many pages are plain HTML these days?  Statistically, the vast vast majority of content delivered is dynamic, changing dependent on what cookies a users has on their device, previous pages viewed, time of day, etc.

What about the Security appliance conglomerates (Intel or McAfee as they are also known for example), which offer the blocking of certain content?  Are they breaking copyright law too?

If there was IN ANY WAY a threat to ad blocking software using the above argument, they would just change their code, so that all data was transferred to a users machine, and simply not render the advertising.


I feel it is obvious that advertising will have to change or disappear.  If you want to read articles from the Guardian website for example, you would need to subscribe to their site, including the delivery method, forcing you to see content unfettered.  For those not willing to pay, they would offer a free but limited content option.  Many sites already offer a similar model.

This negates the need for any lengthy, costly, court battles, which winning would ultimately be fruitless as users would still win by using some other new technique that avoids the law, such as firewalls or other systems which use IP lists to block known advertising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m, sorry but I feel this is a totally ridiculous article. You repeat &#8220;could be claimed&#8221; under the heading Legal Position when their there really is no argument at all, and the topic is absolutely not a &#8220;legal battleground&#8221;. Inflammatory headings do not help your case.</p>
<p>One significant difference between TV and internet traffic which you have mentioned but explained, is that the former is a streamed broadcast.</p>
<p>Therefore, the argument above; that if a stream is altered in some fashion it constitutes copyright infringement is a ridiculous one.  If a broadband provider offers a poor service and the UDP steam is not complete from server to users computer &#8211; Does that constitute copyright infringement?  Should we expect end users to start suing all ISPs? Seriously, that is never going to get to court.</p>
<p>As for WWW content &#8211; ie web pages, they are not streamed and the content delivered to the end point differs from PC to PC, from mobile device to mobile device, from web browser to web browser.  The end user&#8217;s choice of device or Brower dictates what IS and what IS NOT transferred to their device, and how it is rendered.  Any how many pages are plain HTML these days?  Statistically, the vast vast majority of content delivered is dynamic, changing dependent on what cookies a users has on their device, previous pages viewed, time of day, etc.</p>
<p>What about the Security appliance conglomerates (Intel or McAfee as they are also known for example), which offer the blocking of certain content?  Are they breaking copyright law too?</p>
<p>If there was IN ANY WAY a threat to ad blocking software using the above argument, they would just change their code, so that all data was transferred to a users machine, and simply not render the advertising.</p>
<p>I feel it is obvious that advertising will have to change or disappear.  If you want to read articles from the Guardian website for example, you would need to subscribe to their site, including the delivery method, forcing you to see content unfettered.  For those not willing to pay, they would offer a free but limited content option.  Many sites already offer a similar model.</p>
<p>This negates the need for any lengthy, costly, court battles, which winning would ultimately be fruitless as users would still win by using some other new technique that avoids the law, such as firewalls or other systems which use IP lists to block known advertising.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Software Patents: 10 questions for the Minister by Dave Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy, as usual, this is stunningly incisive and I suspect provides our best hope for shredding Minister Foss&#039; obstinate refusal to reverse 10A(2) of SOP120. Superb work - thanks for presenting it this way for us (the NZ software industry).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, as usual, this is stunningly incisive and I suspect provides our best hope for shredding Minister Foss&#8217; obstinate refusal to reverse 10A(2) of SOP120. Superb work &#8211; thanks for presenting it this way for us (the NZ software industry).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Electronic Transactions Act (Contract Formation) Amendment Bill by Guy Burgess</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/electronic-transactions-act-contract-formation-amendment-bill/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jacqui,

The Bill is silent on that issue (it&#039;s perhaps admirable for its brevity!) however I think the &lt;em&gt;Brinkibon&lt;/em&gt; case still correctly states the general principles, and together with s 11 of the Electronic Transactions Act, I would say that the contract is formed when an email arrives rather than when it is read. That is, if an offeror has designated email as a mode of acceptance, then it is implicit that they are responsibile for promptly clearing their emails and will take the risk of a malfunction in their own email systems, rather than putting the risk on the offeree. However, as with the &quot;fax cases&quot;, if the offeree is aware that the email was not received (e.g. they got a &quot;mailbox full&quot; message), then there would be no contract.

Regards
Guy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacqui,</p>
<p>The Bill is silent on that issue (it&#8217;s perhaps admirable for its brevity!) however I think the <em>Brinkibon</em> case still correctly states the general principles, and together with s 11 of the Electronic Transactions Act, I would say that the contract is formed when an email arrives rather than when it is read. That is, if an offeror has designated email as a mode of acceptance, then it is implicit that they are responsibile for promptly clearing their emails and will take the risk of a malfunction in their own email systems, rather than putting the risk on the offeree. However, as with the &#8220;fax cases&#8221;, if the offeree is aware that the email was not received (e.g. they got a &#8220;mailbox full&#8221; message), then there would be no contract.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Guy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Electronic Transactions Act (Contract Formation) Amendment Bill by Jacqui</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/electronic-transactions-act-contract-formation-amendment-bill/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy - could you please let me know your view of whether the proposed amendment (s32A) is intended to mean that the contract is formed when a message can be established by electronic means as having &quot;arrived&quot; at the recipient&#039;s electronic address (whether by server records or some other electronic means). Or when the offeror actually reads the message? There could be a considerable time difference between the two (or the latter option may never happen) and it is not at all clear to me which one is meant. I would be very grateful for your view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy &#8211; could you please let me know your view of whether the proposed amendment (s32A) is intended to mean that the contract is formed when a message can be established by electronic means as having &#8220;arrived&#8221; at the recipient&#8217;s electronic address (whether by server records or some other electronic means). Or when the offeror actually reads the message? There could be a considerable time difference between the two (or the latter option may never happen) and it is not at all clear to me which one is meant. I would be very grateful for your view.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hacker convicted by ste williams &#187; New Zealand judge gives cracker community service</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/hacker-convicted/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>ste williams &#187; New Zealand judge gives cracker community service</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Foss: Patents Bill could allow &#8220;hundreds of software patents&#8221; by John Rankin</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/foss-patents-bill-could-allow-hundreds-of-software-patents/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>John Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I understand the Minister&#039;s position, if New Zealand follows the overseas interpretation of &quot;as such&quot;, a computer program on its own is not an invention, but as soon as a program is implemented on a computer, it becomes an invention and is thus potentially patentable. The practical effect of SOP 120 would be that New Zealand software developers have no protection from claims of patent infringement. I do not think that ignoring a founding theorem of computer science is a good way to make law. We may as well prosecute geologists for not predicting earthquakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand the Minister&#8217;s position, if New Zealand follows the overseas interpretation of &#8220;as such&#8221;, a computer program on its own is not an invention, but as soon as a program is implemented on a computer, it becomes an invention and is thus potentially patentable. The practical effect of SOP 120 would be that New Zealand software developers have no protection from claims of patent infringement. I do not think that ignoring a founding theorem of computer science is a good way to make law. We may as well prosecute geologists for not predicting earthquakes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Foss: Patents Bill could allow &#8220;hundreds of software patents&#8221; by Dave Lane</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/foss-patents-bill-could-allow-hundreds-of-software-patents/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the minister&#039;s &quot;officials&quot; have promised Microsoft, IBM, and the NZICT group, among others, that the exclusion won&#039;t be... very exclusive - here&#039;s an indication (this blog post has been tabled in parliament): http://ciaran.compsoc.com/screenshot-p4s-deleted-blog-post.png

It&#039;s becoming increasingly untenable for the minister to assert he&#039;s doing one thing (excluding software patents), while his officials are working hard to ensure that the opposite (that software patents are still granted) is true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the minister&#8217;s &#8220;officials&#8221; have promised Microsoft, IBM, and the NZICT group, among others, that the exclusion won&#8217;t be&#8230; very exclusive &#8211; here&#8217;s an indication (this blog post has been tabled in parliament): <a href="http://ciaran.compsoc.com/screenshot-p4s-deleted-blog-post.png" rel="nofollow">http://ciaran.compsoc.com/screenshot-p4s-deleted-blog-post.png</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s becoming increasingly untenable for the minister to assert he&#8217;s doing one thing (excluding software patents), while his officials are working hard to ensure that the opposite (that software patents are still granted) is true.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Minister finally admits Patents Bill &#8220;as such&#8221; is unclear by Guy Burgess</title>
		<link>http://www.burgess.co.nz/law/minister-finally-admits-patents-bill-as-such-is-unclear/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Phil, letter is now attached (linked in first paragraph).
Guy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil, letter is now attached (linked in first paragraph).<br />
Guy</p>
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